6085-1: Black Monarch's Castle

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Black Monarch's Castle

Fun to play, fun to modify!

Posted by tonguc in Turkey on 05 April 2009

This is a very nice castle. It comes with 12 mini figures and 4 horses; a large load of pieces. It has a basic but a fine design. It was the only big castle I had for a long time and I enjoyed it a lot. I even modified and turned the structure into Jabba's Palace once, long before Lego produced one.

The castle is mostly black. I don't have a problem with that, but it can be hard to combine the pieces with older or newer castles with gray(ish) pieces. It is a nice stand alone though.

For me, the main entrance was the most satisfying part of the set. Not only the door mechanism, but also higher than usual walls on both sides of the door were nice defensive additions to the set. The towers on the back side are nice too. There isn't much in the castle itself, only a small jail, which is a nice detail. The base plates give the castle a complete and solid feeling, which I thing the castles without base plates don't have.

Like many other castles Lego produces, it needs some modifications. I remember adding stairs to the walls and towers, and also some rooms for the soldiers. Thanks to the base plates such modifications are easy to make. But again, since the back walls can move and can be connected to other castle sets, you could create a larger, richer castle without modifying the structure; yet, as I mentioned before, the black color can be a problem there.

All in all, I had a lot of fun with this set. It was; still is; one of my favorite castles. It's fun to play with as it is; it's fun to modify, like all Lego sets should be!


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LEGO'S BEST

Posted by THE BLACK KNIGHT in United States on 11 March 2009

"A must buy I can't think of a better castle. There are 12 pepole, 4 archery men, 4 spear men (or axe men), tons of weapons, awesome jail cell, working drawbridge, cool shields, 2 awesome towers, cool flags, rare peices, and minifigs. The minifigs can hide in the towers! And there are three baseplates!
If this was still in the stores I'd buy!"

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Can I think of a Better Castle? No.

Posted by hustla187 in United States on 21 February 2009

This castle set is a very important part of Lego history because it was groundbreaking, had many things that Lego would have made in other castle, and the massive amount of minifigures in this set really make this set a legend. I like the black castle design alot and can be built into a different modle which is even cooler. Personally, I think this set is the greatest castle set ever made by Lego and there is no BS about this set.

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One of the best castle sets ever

Posted by Gus263 in Brazil on 25 August 2008

6085- BLACK MONARCH'S CASTLE
(part two)

This is the second (and last) part of my review about the set 6085 (Black Monarch's castle). As I said before, this set includes many useful contents and feature a nice design, though the color scheme is simple. The building of this set is complex, but with instructions it can be made easily. The 665 pieces included makes this set a great and classic set.

Building steps (part 1, the back of the castle):
In the first steps of the building, this set uses as base two baseplates with size of 16X16 studs. Above, the two baseplates are connected by two 2X1 bricks with hole, which uses as connection a gray technic pin. This technic pin connects very well the baseplates, making it playable and hard to dismantle when playing. The first bricks to make the castle structure are putted after, above the baseplate. On the back of each baseplate, some slope bricks are used to make the walls that will later help to make the back of the castle. Some bricks are used to connect some black panels on it's back, completing the walls of the back of the castle. At the sides, more black bricks will make the walls, and these makes the 1X4 hinge bricks stay a bit hidden. At the back, some slope bricks finish the structure of the walls, and by extension complete the connection of the two baseplates, strengthening the connection, and the whole set.

Yet in the back of the castle, a wall increase it inside, making it a bit assymetric (not outside, but inside), but increasing the building and playability. This part of the back uses exactly eight panel pieces to make the walls, but these pieces are even increased by some gray colored plates (with divergences in sizes, but with sizes like 1X2 studs to 1X10 studs). At the external sides of the wall, (in each side), two torch pieces increases the design of the set, exactly being used as torchs (it is obvious).

The building of the castle turrets begins above the corners of the wall, using two 3X6 plates without corners (two in each corner of the walls) as the main bases of the turrets, and after, one 3X3X6 panel wall (one in each turret) makes the structure of the turrets recognizable. After it, more panel walls makes the turret's structure, and a space to put the minifigure inside the turret increases even more the playability (the space that left over to put a minifigure inside each turret is exactly a space of 4X4 studs). In the first floor (above the baseplates), a cage can be built, using as base a space of 6X6 in a baseplate, and using a panel as wall. It have a barred door, where the minifigure can hold (with the "hands"), and as the teat, this "cage" uses a 6X8 black plate. The "cage" is connected in the wall by a sequence of double slope bricks (inverted). This "cage" (at least the door makes it looks like a cage, and the space inside, too) add more playability and details to the set. Now, at the second floor once again, the building continues, making some "windows" with arch pieces, above a part of the walls, between the turrets. These windows are increased by some 1X2 bricks above, adding a reallistic design to the castle, and making it very creative too. Above the panels of the turrets, the building continues with more 3X6 plates without corners, and above these, some inverted slope bricks and 2X2 corner round bricks increases the design. The turrets are later finished by some bricks above, adding details and a cool-looking design to the set. You have to note that some panel pieces aren't only black, because some have printed details.

Building steps (part 2, the front of the castle):
This part of the set is a bit more detailed (though the back of the castle have some notable details like the turrets, windows, the "cage" and walls), because it have the gate and the structure to support it. As the central part of the set (central part because you can divide the back corners of the castle, making a wall in the place of a castle. If you make it, this will be the center), this part uses as main base a 16X32 green baseplate. This baseplate is connected with the other two (other two wich are used in the back of the castle) by some bricks. This connection is a bit more weak than a connection using bricks with holes and technic pins, but don't dismantle easily too, because in each side, two hinge bricks connects (the hinge brick used as top, and the used as base). It also can makes the parts of the back divides, making a wall in place of a castle. To increase this part, there are some more slope pieces, that will later be completed by bricks. The front of the castle can be a bit more recognized when the part under the gate is being built. Some panels occupies the incomplete (incomplete until you use the panels) spaces between some slope bricks, increasing the set. Also, some slope bricks are used focused to inside the castle, adding more details to it.

After it, some hinge bricks connects again the two parts of the set, and can also divides it, making a wall. It add more resistance (and by extension, playability) to the whole set, and don't affects the design, because some plates are used above. Next to the part that the gate will be made, two slope bricks "create" the structure of an arch. Adding some bricks and 1X2 plates, it turn more recognizable. Turned into the castle, (and at the same time, strengthening the part that will later makes the gate), some 1X1 plates with horizontal clips (exactly one in each side) connects two spears (one in each side again), just to add a complex style to the design of the set. The structure turns more recognizable when more panels are putted above the base made by the slope bricks (located at the front of the castle). These panels are connected with the part next to the gate by more gray plates. These are by extension, even more increased by black bricks, adding more medieval looking, and making the front of the castle more compatible with the turrets (not in shape, but in terms of design and color scheme). At the front, some inverted slope bricks, combined with more black regular bricks abuse of the creativity, adding more reallistic details to the castle. And above the gate, there is being formed another structure, a big turret (but more than a simple turret, this features many details).

At each side of the structure, there is a sufficient space to put many minifigures, exactly, in each side it have space of 5X4 studs. In each side, after it, one slope brick, increased by more plates and bricks. This part also have plates with horizontal clips, but at this time, connecting a sword and a battle axe (but you can connect any weapon). In the same structure, each side is increased by panels, when the front is increased by more bricks and plates (with different color schemes, and shapes). These makes some "medieval windows" with retangular shape, and combined with the other part of the structure, this big turret looks like a face (not really a expressive face, but at least, it is very well detailed). The "face" is later increased by two arch pieces, above the region that is the equivalent of the "eyes" (in the castle, these are the windows of the front). This "face" in the front of the castle is finally finished when a combination among hinge plates is putted above its "mouth" (this "mouth" is made by a inverted double slope brick combinated with two 2X1 slope bricks). It will later makes its "nose", when it will be connected with the flag. But now, at the fourth floor (above this "face", there is a fourth floor), using some plates (plates with different shapes, including two "wing" plates) as base, there is also the system to open and close the gate. The gate is very well made, using only plates, and not only a piece (in castle sets before this time, is common to use only one or two pieces as gate).

The gate is connected by a string (putted in the middle of the 3X2 plate with hole, used in the gate) which is connected in the castle passing through a 2X1 brick with hole, and later being fitted in a technic wheel. After it, there is another gate, that can open like a bridge. This is connected in the castle by a piece which is commonly used as a joust spear (in this case, it supports the first gate of the castle, a creative use). The first gate is also made by more than just one or two pieces, it is made by at least nine plates. To open or close this gate is very easy, you only have to spin the technic wheel in clockwise. This fourth floor is later finished by some bricks, adding to the castle a medieval looking, basically making another turret. After this step, the castle have only some details added, like the flags (located in the turrets of the back, in the "nose" of the front of the castle, and in each side of the castle's main tower). Also, the castle have added one brick 1X2 in each side of the main arch, these are putted in vertical position because are connected by bricks with headlights (one in each side). But it is just to add more details to the design. This set have too a small barrel piece where you can put some weapons (this set have exactly 4 battleaxes, 7 swords! 4 arrow quivers, 4 arrows with bows, 6 lances! 10 shields and 3 spears).

Playability:
Altough this set don't have a catapult, it is very cool to play with. The two gates can be opened easily and by a creative system, this set have 12 minifigures, 10 shields and 28 weapons (useful for the castle theme). Also, this set have four horses, that can be equipped with accessories, and includes many helmets and "plumes" to increase the helmets. These useful contents can add to this set a great playability. And it isn't all, this castle can divide the two baseplates used as bases of the castle's back, making a great wall (not very great, but with a great space to the 12 minifigures). It is hard to dismantle, so don't hesitate to play with this set (if you have, of course, or if you have at least an opportunity to play with this set). The set also features a "cage" (at least, this gray door inside suggests that it is a kind of cage, but you can play with the set as you like). Summarizing, the playability of this set is great.
And also, a interesting fact is that this set shows a playability and building a bit similar with the set 6080 (King's castle, from the lion knights subtheme), though the color scheme is different. But both sets (6085 and 6080) are very different in some terms, and both are without doubts, classic sets. Now, more about the playability of this set: This set have some alternative models shown at the box's back. One is a flagship, other is a small fort with space to "play joust" with the knights, and the other is a bridge between to towers. I couldn't find any instruction of these alternate models, but of course you can create your own castle, or use this to increase it.

Pros and Cons:
Here are the basic Pros and Cons about this set:

Pros:
includes 12 minifigures
lots of weapons and accessories
the castle don't dismantle easily
full of playability
nice design
includes 665 useful pieces

Cons:
none


Overall:
As I said in the first part of this review (this review have two parts, this is the second), this set is very hard to find now (this set was released in 1988, exactly 20 years ago), but you can find it in websites like bricklink and ebay, by a price by approx $90. Not very cheap for a set with 665 pieces, because it is rare, but worth completely the money. If you find this set more cheaper, and by extension, easy to get, don't hesitate! Get this chance! I recommend it.
So, overall, this set is a nice set, to collect, play with, use the pieces in creations and it have basically none problem. If you are a Lego collector, or a Lego castle fan, this set is a great addition, a "flawless castle". It deserves without doubt a five out of five. 5/5
Hope you enjoyed the review, so if you have any comment about the review, please contact me :)
Thanks if you took time to read!

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One of the best Castle sets ever made...

Posted by Gus263 in Brazil on 20 August 2008

6085 -BLACK MONARCH'S CASTLE
(Part one)

This set was released in the year of 1988, and was the first set of the "Black knights" subtheme (it is a part of the castle theme). Released in 1988 (1989 in some countries like Brazil), this set (and the whole black knights subtheme) is recognized by many Lego fans as a classic. Without any doubt, I personally think that this set is a great classic.

At the first view, this set looks like a huge castle (though a bit simple in the design), it isn't very huge because isn't very tall, but is great, have a good size, well made walls, towers and base. Alike some recent castle sets, this castle don't uses very much overspecialized pieces, like the rock pieces (called sometimes as "Big Ugly Rock Pieces"), complex baseplates, catapult pieces (a part of the catapult made by only one piece, called more specifically as "Plate 1x8 with hole and bucket on end") or castle turret pieces (one piece that is a castle turret. This set have castle turrets, of course, but these are made with more than two pieces). In other words, this set features useful contents and a good building and playability, though have a simple design.

To know more about the contents, here is the list (being listed the quantity of each piece included, the color scheme of the piece, model of piece and in some cases, some few specifications, respectively):

1X Blue animal horse barding with black dragons pattern
1X Red animal horse barding with blue dragons pattern
1X Blue animal horse saddle with one clip
1X Red animal horse saddle with One clip
1X White animal horse with brown/black tack pattern (Complete)
1X Black animal horse with brown/White tack pattern (Complete)
2X Old brown animal Horse with Red Tack Pattern (Complete)
3X Old gray antenna 4H
4X Black arch 1x3
2X Old gray arch 1x3
4X Black arch 1x4
2X Black arch 1x5x4
4X Old gray arch 1x5x4
1X Old brown barrel 2x2x2
2X Green baseplate 16x16
1X Green baseplate 16x32 with square corners
39X Black brick 1x1
24X Old gray brick 1x1
8X Black brick 1x1 with headlight
2X Old gray brick 1x1 with headlight
3X Black brick 1x1x5
70X Black brick 1x2
2X Old brown brick 1x2
33X Old gray brick 1x2
1X White brick 1x2
2X Old gray brick 1x2x5
16X Black brick 1x3
15X Black brick 1x4
2X Old gray brick 1x4
4X Black brick 1x6
1X Old gray Brick 1x6
3X Black brick 1x8
5X Old gray brick 2x2
18X Black brick 2x2 corner
6X Old gray brick 2x2 Corner
12X Black brick 2x2 Corner round
2X Old gray brick 2x3
4X Black brick 3x3 Facet
1X Black door 2x6x7 Frame
1X Old dark gray door 6x7 Barred
1X Blue flag 2x2 with red square and yellowed winged dragon pattern
4X Blue flag 4x1
6X Red flag 4x1
1X Black hinge 1x2 base
1X Black hinge 1x2 Top
3X Black hinge brick 1x4 base
1X Old gray hinge brick 1x4 base
3X black hinge brick 1x4 Top
1X Old gray hinge brick 1x4 Top
4X Old brown Minifigure accessory battleaxe
4X Old Dark gray Minifigure accessory Helmet (castle theme) with chin-guard
1X Black Minifigure accessory Helmet (castle theme) with fixed face grill
3X Old gray Minifigure accessory Helmet (castle theme) with fixed face grill
4X Black Minifigure accessory Helmet Castle with Neck Protector
10X OldGray Minifigure accessory shield triangular with blue dragon pattern
7X Old Dark gray Minifigure accessory sword (Short sword)
4X Old gray Minifigure accessory torch
4X Old brown Minifigure arrow quiver
4X Old brown Minifigure Bow with arrow
1X Red Minifigure cape
12X Yellow Minifigure head with solid stud and standard grin pattern
1X Black Minifigure hips and legs (complete) with red top
6X Blue Minifigure hips and legs (complete) with black top
5X Red Minifigure hips and legs (complete) with black top
1X Old brown Minifigure Lance
6X Old Dark gray minifigure Lance
2X Red Minifigure plume (medium sized)
2X Yellow Minifigure plume (medium sized)
2X Red Minifigure plume (small sized)
2X Yellow Minifigure plume (small sized)
2X Red Minifigure plume triple
2X Yellow Minifigure plume triple
3X Old brown Minifigure spear
1X Black Minifigure torso with breastplate pattern (castle theme) with black arms
2X Blue Minifigure torso with breastplate pattern (castle theme) with black arms; with red arms
1X Red Minifig torso with breastplate pattern (castle theme) with blue arms
4X Blue Minifig torso with chainmail pattern (castle theme) with black arms
4X Red Minifig torso with chainmail pattern (castle themes) with red arms
13X Black panel 2x5x6
1X Black panel 2x5x6 with light gray scattered stones pattern
1X Black panel 2x5x6 with light gray window stones pattern
9X Black panel Wall 3x3x6 corner
1X Black panel Wall 3x3x6 corner with gray scattered stones pattern
9X Black plate 1x1
6X Old gray plate 1x1
4X Black plate 1x1 with clip light - Type 2
4X Black plate 1x1 with clip vertical - Type 2
2X Old gray plate 1x1 with clip vertical - Type 2
6X Black plate 1x2
2X Old brown plate 1x2
8X Old gray plate 1x2
1X White plate 1x2
3X Black plate 1x2 with 1 stud
6X Black plate 1x3
5X Old gray plate 1x4
1X Black plate 1x6
3X Old gray plate 1x6
1X Black plate 1x8
5X Old gray plate 1x8
10X Black plate 1x10
5X Old gray plate 1x10
3X Old gray plate 2x2
2X Old gray plate 2x2 Corner
9X Old gray plate 2x3
1X Black plate 2x4
4X Old gray plate 2x4
2X Black plate 2x8
2X Old gray plate 2x8
2X Black plate 2x16
1X Black plate 3x2 with hole
1X Old gray plate 3x2 with hole
2X Old gray plate 3x3 without corner
8X Old gray plate 3x6 without corners
3X Old gray plate 4x8
2X Black plate 4x12
1X Black plate 6x8
2X Old gray slope brick 33 3x2 inverted
4X Black slope brick 45 2x1
4X Old gray slope brick 45 2x1
6X Black slope brick 45 2x1 inverted
19X Old gray slope brick 45 2x1 inverted
1X Black slope brick 45 2x2
8X Black slope brick 45 2x2 inverted
15X Old gray slope brick 45 2x2 inverted
12X Old gray slope brick 45 2x2 inverted double convex
5X Old gray slope brick 45 4x2 double inverted
2X Black slope brick 75 2x1x3
4X Old gray slope brick 75 2x1x3
4X Old gray slope brick 75 2x1x3 inverted
6X Black slope brick 75 2x2x3
10X Old gray slope brick 75 2x2x3
2X Black string
1X Old gray Technic axle pin
2X Black Technic brick 1x2 with hole
5X Old gray Technic brick 1x2 with hole
1X Old gray Technic bush 1/2 Type 1
1X Old gray Technic Pin
1X Old brown Technic wedge belt wheel
1X Black wing 4x4 left
1X Black wing 4x4 right

I hope that this list can help the people who buy sets by their contents (people who buy sets by the contents are these who wish more pieces to increase their creations, and buy the sets more by pieces than by playability).
This set includes exactly 665 pieces. Less than some new castle sets (like the 7094 King's castle siege, that includes 973 pieces), but as this set don't have "special pieces", it is a good number of contents. And as one example of a good use of pieces and good building, this set includes 70 2X1 black bricks. So, if you like create your own castle models, or just to increase other castle sets, this is recommended.

The set also have a lot (if 12 minifigures are a lot, of course) of minifigures, and four horses. Not only a great castle, this set is too an army builder (of course, medieval army). The minifigures are simple, but have notable details, like the printed chainmails. Also, the minifigures have few divergences in the printed details, but the faces are the same, all the 12 minifigure heads included have the classic minifigure faces, with yellow skin, black dots (without little white dots or other details) as eyes, and a smile. Currently, is very hard to find in any set the classic minifigure faces. But of course, some sets still including these classic minifigures, like in 10182 (Cafe corner, released in 2007) and in 9247 (Community workers, released in 2006). Of course, when I mean classic minifigures, aren't only the minifigures released with this set, but minifigures with the common minifigure face.

Some divergences in the color scheme of this set and in the color scheme of recent sets can be found. It have some old colors that are a bit different from some now. The brown, white and gray schemes are a bit different from the current, so, before buy this set you have to know that. You have to be noticed that this set don't include any sticker, some details are printed in some parts. And is notable that the printed details are simple. I personally thinks that it is good, because don't "pollutes" very much the set after built, and at the same time, it can be useful, and unlike the stickers, the printed parts don't drop out. And it is all to say about the contents. I will post more about the set building after (in another review).

The design is simple (the printed details are simple, too) more due to the main color scheme, but simple designed sets aren't bad when shows a good building, playability and useful contents. This set have a similar building and playability with the set 6080 (king's castle, from the lion knights subtheme, also called crusaders subtheme, released in 1984, exactly four years before this was released), though the color scheme is very different, and the building also have its notable differences. Both sets are very cool (though are old), and are classics without doubt.

About the box: The box where this set come packaged is very resistant (at least it have a resistance like some boxes now), and have a good style. The yellow main scheme and the few details make it simple, but still very good, like in the boxes of some other classic sets. The box of this set also have printed a logo of the Legoland, and yellow as main scheme. The set is very well packaged, at least when it was being sold in Lego stores (late 80's years to early 90's years). The box have on its back some images showing alternate models (the instruction booklet have an alternate model being showed under the picture of the main set, as you can see in the picture here in brickset). The instructions of the alternate models are very hard to be found (because weren't printed in the instructions of the main model), if aren't impossible (I at least never saw a instruction of one of these models). About the alternate models, you can see at the box's back, a ship (this surprises me very much, with pieces to make a castle you can make a very cool ship). Of course this ship don't have common flags, the flags in this model are made by gray plates. Another alternate model is a small fort with space to the knights practice joust. Well made too, this have a better picture here at brickset (is the picture shown under the main model's picture). The third alternate building are two towers with a bridge passing through. Pretty good too, an addition to any medieval scenery. But as I said before, the instructions of these models cannot be found, at least I don't found it in any place. But you can make your own creation, of course! As a Lego set, this set is full of playability and possibility of building.

Now, where to find this set?
Currently, this set is very rare and cannot be found in normal stores or warehouses. But you can find it by internet, in sites like ebay and briclink. Note that in Ebay you have to place bids and after some bids you replace, you can buy the set. So, the price can always changes, but don't worry. In some cases, some prices result in the same on bricklink. So, in Ebay.com you find it currently being sold by $1 to $15. You only have to place a price with your bid, and you have chances to get the set. Note that in Ebay and in Bricklink, some sellers ships the set worldwide. Of course, in the countries (like here in Brazil), the imports add taxes in the sets, increasing the prices. So the price you see in the internet can be higger depending of the country you're from. In Ebay.de you can find this set currently by EUR8,05. But of course, any ebay have this system of bids. So you have first to replace the price with your bid.
In Bricklink you can buy it by its main price. In Bricklink you can find this set is being sold by a price around $90 to $1.100, of course, the prices have some divergences because some are incomplete and the more expensive are complete, and in some cases, sealed (if you have the chance to get a sealed, I reccomend to buy it!). This set can be a bit more expensive than you can expect, but this set is very rare now. So, any chance to get it, will worth (chance means you have the money to buy the set in a good condition, not spend so much money and after don't be happy with the set you bought, what is very hard to happen).

Overall, this set have much useful contents, a great playability and design (though simple). It is rare now, but depending the price and conditions, it worth very much.
This is the first part of my 6085 review, the next will be make soon, and will explain about the building steps, playability, and main pros and cons about the set.
Hope you enjoyed the review, and if you have any comment, contact me please :)

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